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we do have the deficit going down, which is a good thing. republicans have given up on talking about what used to be their core issue or at least what they said was their core issue, debt and deficits, now ideological trophies. >> the debt and deficit picture is very different than how it was two years ago where we had a fight over the debt limit where the things was big debt. the fed debt is going to be stabilized about 70 to 75% of gdp over the next decade. we've really fixed our growing debt problem. now we have to find something else to argue over. theoretically you could have budget deficits or surpluses that would cause that to decline then they would talk about programs they actually like. this is a part th-- party that doesn't want to run on broad reduction program. >> is the white house concerned at all should the president shut down, the message the president has been spending, this is on the republicans, this is on john boehner, would be muddled in people's pain. the pain they are feeling, they would essentially blame both parties
we do have the deficit going down, which is a good thing. republicans have given up on talking about what used to be their core issue or at least what they said was their core issue, debt and deficits, now ideological trophies. >> the debt and deficit picture is very different than how it was two years ago where we had a fight over the debt limit where the things was big debt. the fed debt is going to be stabilized about 70 to 75% of gdp over the next decade. we've really fixed our...
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i mean, you could cut the deficit from anywhere. specifically you and your colleagues went after obama care. why? >> first of all, let's go back to the deficit a second. when george bush left and obama took over, there was $9 billion in deficit. most of bush's deficit was spent when the country was attacked on september 11th and rebuilding our military and also the decline in revenue. so that was $9 billion. we're at $17 billion. we're going to $18 billion. it will double in five years. >> congressman, i could tell you the surplus that bill clinton -- >> do you want me to answer the second part? >> i will, but since you wanted to deviate. bill clinton left us with a surplus, so you don't want to go there. >> let's go back to left us with a surplus. when he came in, the last shutdown was with republicans. but he negotiated with republicans. and yes, you had a republican -- >> he was negotiating over a budget congressman. he negotiated over a congressman. it was not a law. you're taking a law, not a budget. >> we balanced the budget w
i mean, you could cut the deficit from anywhere. specifically you and your colleagues went after obama care. why? >> first of all, let's go back to the deficit a second. when george bush left and obama took over, there was $9 billion in deficit. most of bush's deficit was spent when the country was attacked on september 11th and rebuilding our military and also the decline in revenue. so that was $9 billion. we're at $17 billion. we're going to $18 billion. it will double in five years....
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it does not grow our deficits by a single dime. it does not authorize anybody to spend any money whatsoever. all it does is authorize the treasury to pay the bills on what congress has already spent. think about that. if you buy a car and you've got a car note, you do not save money by not paying your car note. you're just a deadbeat. if you buy a house, you don't save money by not authorizing yourself to pay the mortgage. you're just going to be for closed on your home. that's what this is about. it is routine. it is what they are supposed to do. this is not a concession to me. it is not some demand that's unreasonable i'm making, this is what congress is supposed to do as a routine manner. and they shouldn't wait until the last time to do it. last time they threatened this course of action back in 2011, our economy staggered, our credit rating was downgraded for the first time. if they go through with it this time and force the united states to default on its obligations for the first time in history, it would be far more dangero
it does not grow our deficits by a single dime. it does not authorize anybody to spend any money whatsoever. all it does is authorize the treasury to pay the bills on what congress has already spent. think about that. if you buy a car and you've got a car note, you do not save money by not paying your car note. you're just a deadbeat. if you buy a house, you don't save money by not authorizing yourself to pay the mortgage. you're just going to be for closed on your home. that's what this is...
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it doesn't grow our deficits by a single dime. it doesn't allow anybody to spend any new money whatsoever. so it's not something that raises our debt. what it does is allow the u.s. treasury, the u.s. government, to pay the bills that congress has already racked up. i want you to think about this. if you go to a restaurant and you order a meal. you eat it. maybe you have some wine. maybe you have twos glasses of wine. great meal, and then you look at the tab and it's pretty expensive and you decide i'm not going to pay the bill. well, you're not saving money. you're not being frugal. you're just a deadbeat, right? if you buy a house and you decide, man, this month, i'd rather go on vacation somewhere so i'm not going to pay my mortgage. you didn't just save yourself some money. you're just going to get foreclosed on. so you don't save money by not paying your bills. you don't reduce your debt by not paying your bills. all you're doing is making yourself unreliable and hurting your credit rating. and you'll start getting those phon
it doesn't grow our deficits by a single dime. it doesn't allow anybody to spend any new money whatsoever. so it's not something that raises our debt. what it does is allow the u.s. treasury, the u.s. government, to pay the bills that congress has already racked up. i want you to think about this. if you go to a restaurant and you order a meal. you eat it. maybe you have some wine. maybe you have twos glasses of wine. great meal, and then you look at the tab and it's pretty expensive and you...
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. >> there was a time they get target the budget deficit as emblamatic of the problem. it was 10% of gdp, now 3 or 4%. it's going down. if you look out far enough we have sustainability issues in the budget we actually really need to deal w as david correctly said, you can't deal with that with the kamikaze caucus. in fact, if you look at the impact of health care reform so far, it's been helping in terms of slowing the growth of health care cost. whether that sticks, we'll have to say but it's been helping in terms of the long-term market. >> the iron y, we're no longer talking about those issues, structural deficit, long-term, that was what the bargain was about, long-term overall. that's not the discussion anymore. we're talking about junking half obama care which has affect of bringing down the deficit. it's a nonsensical conversation. >> two parallel threads that are interesting, republicans -- congressional republicans have set aside two narratives that might have worked in their favor if they argue them that way. what's now obama care was a republican idea. it wa
. >> there was a time they get target the budget deficit as emblamatic of the problem. it was 10% of gdp, now 3 or 4%. it's going down. if you look out far enough we have sustainability issues in the budget we actually really need to deal w as david correctly said, you can't deal with that with the kamikaze caucus. in fact, if you look at the impact of health care reform so far, it's been helping in terms of slowing the growth of health care cost. whether that sticks, we'll have to say...
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they're trying oddly enough to increase the deficit. the continuing resolution that they would pass would have spending be higher than the budget that they passed back in the spring. here's why. if you take a look at what's been happening and today is the last day of the fiscal year, see that deficit, these red bars here, have come down very -- has come down very sharply since 2009 when it hit its peak at $1.4 trillion. it's going to be down today when the books close at $642 billion, a drop of over $770 billion down. the blue lines at the top show you why or part of why this is happening. just because spending has been flat. spending which was -- went up in 2009 again because of the obama syst stimulus has been held flat and come down a little bit. can't get my pen to draw a little bit, come down to $3.6 trillion. all of this has come out of discretionary spending. there's been no cuts in entitlements, no cuts in the mandatory programs. if you look at the effect of that on the economy as the deficit comes down it makes the economy grow
they're trying oddly enough to increase the deficit. the continuing resolution that they would pass would have spending be higher than the budget that they passed back in the spring. here's why. if you take a look at what's been happening and today is the last day of the fiscal year, see that deficit, these red bars here, have come down very -- has come down very sharply since 2009 when it hit its peak at $1.4 trillion. it's going to be down today when the books close at $642 billion, a drop of...
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, i have strong feelings about the deficit, we'll share our feelings next. >>> we need to reopen the government, and the key to that still remains over in the house of representatives. it is a senate passed clean bill. >> open the government by putting a clean continuing resolution funding bill on the floor. >> there is a key central fact that underlies this entire gop-manufactured crisis, has to do with that phrase, the one you just heard, has to do with the clean continuing resolution, the clean cr, continuing resolution that is not trying to de-fund obama care or delay its resolution, that is what the government is supposed to do. fund it for a period of time without any delayed nonsense, but the number attached to the clean cr, if you're going the fund the government how much should the government get? what is the budget, it is a budget bill. let's start out with what the obama administration asked for when they released their budget. 1 trillion, 203 billion, that was the obama target for the budget. by comparison, this was the 2011 compromise, a budget of 1 trillion 66 billion,
, i have strong feelings about the deficit, we'll share our feelings next. >>> we need to reopen the government, and the key to that still remains over in the house of representatives. it is a senate passed clean bill. >> open the government by putting a clean continuing resolution funding bill on the floor. >> there is a key central fact that underlies this entire gop-manufactured crisis, has to do with that phrase, the one you just heard, has to do with the clean...
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>>> cnbc's larry cosbow has strong feelings about the deficit, i have strong feelings about the deficit, we'll share our feelings next. merch comes back, i'm not happy. use ups. they make returns easy. unhappy customer becomes happy customer. then, repeat customer. easy returns, i'm happy. repeat customers, i'm happy. sales go up, i'm happy. i ordered another pair. i'm happy. (both) i'm happy. i'm happy. happy. happy. happy. happy. happy happy. i love logistics. ...amelia... neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the future... by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand of us investing billions... in everything from the best experiences below... to the finest comforts above. we're not simply saluting history... we're making it. . >>> we need to reopen the government, and the key to that still remains over in the house of representatives. it is a senate passed clean bill. >> open the government by putting a clean continuing resolution funding bill on the floor. >> there is a key central fact that
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is it about the budget deficit? why is the government shut down? >> we sent four bills to the united states senate. four different positions trying to soften our position to get the senate interested in keeping the government open and bringing fairness to the american people under obama care. it's as simple as that. >> last question. >> mr. speaker, we've seen a lot of reports about how there's sniping, personality sniping between you and democratic leader and the president. >> no, no. that's just not true. that is just -- listen, that is not true. now, most of you have dealt with me for some time. i might snipe at luke once or nice, all right, but i have very good relationships with all of my colleagues across the aisle. listen, i -- it's me. and maintaining these relationships is critically important. all i'm asking for is let's sit down like the american people would expect us and talk to one another about getting the government open an dealing with the significant problems that we face. >> what about a grand bargain? >> harry reid said that you
is it about the budget deficit? why is the government shut down? >> we sent four bills to the united states senate. four different positions trying to soften our position to get the senate interested in keeping the government open and bringing fairness to the american people under obama care. it's as simple as that. >> last question. >> mr. speaker, we've seen a lot of reports about how there's sniping, personality sniping between you and democratic leader and the president....
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we're happy to talk about deficit reduction. >> i can negotiate. i can make sure that my party is willing to compromise. >> i'm happy to have a conversation about deficit reduction. >> i am very open to compromise. >> we should negotiate an agreement as quickly as possible. >> i am happy to negotiate with them on a whole host of issues. >> i am ready, i am eager to work with democrats and republicans to reform the tax code. >> i'll end up having to compromise on things. >> i'm willing to compromise in the past and i am willing to compromise going forward. >> i'm ready and eager to work with anyone willing to proceed in the spirit of goodwill. >> that sounds like compromise to me but as long as the gop runs in circles trying to figure out its end game, we're stuck with piecemeal spending bills and no actual way forward. but you know, at this point, i think americans just want congress to cut it out and put the government back to work. here's the question we'll try to answer. who can disrupt the dysfunction and get us back on track? joining me now fr
we're happy to talk about deficit reduction. >> i can negotiate. i can make sure that my party is willing to compromise. >> i'm happy to have a conversation about deficit reduction. >> i am very open to compromise. >> we should negotiate an agreement as quickly as possible. >> i am happy to negotiate with them on a whole host of issues. >> i am ready, i am eager to work with democrats and republicans to reform the tax code. >> i'll end up having to...
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they're used us to walking up to the precipice, the cliff, the deficit and then walking it back. we're starting to get phone calls from people who didn't really think they were going to get furloughed who are now out a paycheck, from seniors who thought their social security claim was going to get processed but isn't. you're going to see a mounting furor from the public. i'll admit, some people just blame everybody but people who know it's not everybody, know it's the republicans to blame. you'll see how devastating this is and how simple it is to fix if john boehner just called a clean vote on the continuing resolution. >> thank you. i mentioned three mini bills that would fund government benefits, government operations in washington and national parks. those were all defeated moments ago. this is the latest strategy after failing to receive two-thirds of the votes necessary to pass, for a procedural reason i'm not going to explain," the president threatened to veto any mini bills if they made it through congress and these didn't make it through congress. the senator from illino
they're used us to walking up to the precipice, the cliff, the deficit and then walking it back. we're starting to get phone calls from people who didn't really think they were going to get furloughed who are now out a paycheck, from seniors who thought their social security claim was going to get processed but isn't. you're going to see a mounting furor from the public. i'll admit, some people just blame everybody but people who know it's not everybody, know it's the republicans to blame....
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and our deficits are falling fast. the idea of putting the american people's hard-earned progress at risk is the height of irresponsibility. and it doesn't have to happen. let me repeat this. it does not have to happen. all of this is entirely preventible if the house chooses to do what the senate has already done. and that's the simple act of funding our government without making extraneous and controversial demands in the process. the same way other congresses have for more than 200 years. unfortunately, right now house republicans continue to tie funding of the government to ideological demands like limiting a woman's access to contraception or delaying the affordable care act. all to save face after making some impossible promises to the extreme right wing of their party. so let me be clear about this. an important part of the affordable care act takes effect tomorrow. no matter what congress decides to do today. the affordable care act is moving forward. that funding is already in place. you can't shut it down. th
and our deficits are falling fast. the idea of putting the american people's hard-earned progress at risk is the height of irresponsibility. and it doesn't have to happen. let me repeat this. it does not have to happen. all of this is entirely preventible if the house chooses to do what the senate has already done. and that's the simple act of funding our government without making extraneous and controversial demands in the process. the same way other congresses have for more than 200 years....
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but you know that's become to -- eliminating that tax increases the deficit. delaying the implementation of the individual mandate significantly increases the debt. they're not even serious about this issue anymore. and he's committed to doing more as long as we do it in a responsible way. >> jay carney, press secretary to president obama. democrats may be hoping the public outrage will knock sense into house republicans. a new cnn poll shows more will blame republicans in congress for a shutdown. 36% say they'd blame obama, 46% would blame republicans. a supermajority of republicans, 66% would blame obama for a government shutdown compared to only 16% would blame their own party. and the republicans won't lose any standing with independents either. this is bad news for obama. independents are even split when it comes to blaming either part. 38% would blame obama, 39% republicans. what political incentive is there for republicans led by speaker boehner to get the government in line and get the government moving? would it be the beating from the dropping stock
but you know that's become to -- eliminating that tax increases the deficit. delaying the implementation of the individual mandate significantly increases the debt. they're not even serious about this issue anymore. and he's committed to doing more as long as we do it in a responsible way. >> jay carney, press secretary to president obama. democrats may be hoping the public outrage will knock sense into house republicans. a new cnn poll shows more will blame republicans in congress for a...
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turned out the tax cuts reagan passed were creating tremendous deficits and then he came back and said we've got to do something about this and he forced reagan into compromises that led to raising taxes. in this instance -- >> rather than cutting social security. rather than cutting social security is what reagan wanted to do. right. >> so in this instance, we'll have these guys saying get rid of obama care first. wait a second. you have millions of people coming to sign up. if it is going to crash the economy, then you can come back and say see, we were right, they were wrong. let's do something about it. if reality has given us that point, then the american people will vote more for republicans and will come rallying. >> it's called repeal. tried for prohibition about a decade. didn't work so we got rid of it. they're afraid to try it because they're afraid people are going to like it. i wish we had more time. cynthia, one last quick word. >> they are afraid people are going to like it, chris. that's the reason they're fighting so hard to shut it down. >> i'm with you. thank you so
turned out the tax cuts reagan passed were creating tremendous deficits and then he came back and said we've got to do something about this and he forced reagan into compromises that led to raising taxes. in this instance -- >> rather than cutting social security. rather than cutting social security is what reagan wanted to do. right. >> so in this instance, we'll have these guys saying get rid of obama care first. wait a second. you have millions of people coming to sign up. if it...
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a year or so later, the tax cuts reagan passed were creating deficits and he came back and said we have to do something about this and forced reagan to compromise that is led to raising taxes. >> rather than cutting social security. rather than cutting social security is what reagan wanted to do. >> obama care, we have to get rid of it first? wait a minute. there is going to be a problem. if it is going to crash the economy, then you have to come back and say, see, we were right, they were wrong. let's do something about it. if reality has given us that point, then the american people vote more for republicans and will come rallying behind michele bachmann and the yahoos. not now. >> try prohibition for a decade, it didn't work. we got rid of it. they are afraid people are going to like it. i wish we had more time. >> they are afraid people are going to like it, chris. that's the reason they are fighting so hard to shut it down. >> i'm with you. thank you very much. have a nice weekend, if you can. you have to show up, but we are not going to pay you. it's not going to last long with th
a year or so later, the tax cuts reagan passed were creating deficits and he came back and said we have to do something about this and forced reagan to compromise that is led to raising taxes. >> rather than cutting social security. rather than cutting social security is what reagan wanted to do. >> obama care, we have to get rid of it first? wait a minute. there is going to be a problem. if it is going to crash the economy, then you have to come back and say, see, we were right,...
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. >> this shutdown is not about deficits or budgets. it's aboutle roing back our efforts to provide health insurance to folks who don't have it. it's all about rolling back the affordable care act. this more than anything else seems to be what the republican party stands for these days. i know it's strapg that one party would make keeping people uninsured the center piece of their agenda. but that apparently is what it is. >> despite the seemingly high stakes, both economically and politically, there are few high level negotiations going on behind the scenes right now. house republicans with their jackets off came to a conference committee they called in the w echl e hours monday morning, but the senator had already rejected the meeting and no democrats showed up and a lot of people called it a stunt. >> i have to say i'm disappointed in the actions of the united states senate this morning by rejecting the bill passed by the house last night. my goodness, they won't even sit down and have a discussion about this. >> unfortunately, i rea
. >> this shutdown is not about deficits or budgets. it's aboutle roing back our efforts to provide health insurance to folks who don't have it. it's all about rolling back the affordable care act. this more than anything else seems to be what the republican party stands for these days. i know it's strapg that one party would make keeping people uninsured the center piece of their agenda. but that apparently is what it is. >> despite the seemingly high stakes, both economically and...
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i think republicans should be talking about debt and deficit and not campaigning by snippet and stunt. that's what they are doing. if they are serious about government, wanting to take control of government and do things that speak to their va e values they need to talk about deficit. they're talking about nih, national parks. this is small politics when we are looking at default. >> turn the page. >> hold on. if you are a mother or a father with a child in one of the clinical trials and the republicans have passed a bill to fund nih do you not think the democrats should probably -- >> or wic or -- >> why does it have to be all or nothing? why can't we help kids with cancer? >> these choices were put on us by 40 republicans. >> the all or nothing aspect of this is. i mean this crisis isn't static. no police call crisis is. if democrats want funding for national institutes of health, for parks, for washington, d.c., they now have vehicles to do it. they can pass it in the senate this morning. the president can sign it by noon and the national institutes of health will be funded and the
i think republicans should be talking about debt and deficit and not campaigning by snippet and stunt. that's what they are doing. if they are serious about government, wanting to take control of government and do things that speak to their va e values they need to talk about deficit. they're talking about nih, national parks. this is small politics when we are looking at default. >> turn the page. >> hold on. if you are a mother or a father with a child in one of the clinical...
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make the budget deficit worse. joining me now is josh green. the irony here is it is so thick that one does not know where to begin. shut down and cost taxpayers a total. what gives. >> the thing that the markets hate is uncertainty. what is a shut down? it reduces an enormous element of uncertainty. that is going to be coming right before the debt ceiling fight. you see today i dove into my bloom berg terminal do find out what people are worried about. the prices for credit default swaps had sored. reflects that people are suddenly worried that it may default and miss payments. that is annerly tremor of an earthquake if the situation doesn't clear up and get resolved pretty quick. >> speaking through the chair there, the senior center from illinois a couple of hours ago. just take a couple of examples. we have 15,000 people a day come to lake mead, spending huge amounts of money to help the economy. they come there to boat, to fish, to recreate. tomorrow morning they can't go. we have a beautiful area, recreational area just a short distance o
make the budget deficit worse. joining me now is josh green. the irony here is it is so thick that one does not know where to begin. shut down and cost taxpayers a total. what gives. >> the thing that the markets hate is uncertainty. what is a shut down? it reduces an enormous element of uncertainty. that is going to be coming right before the debt ceiling fight. you see today i dove into my bloom berg terminal do find out what people are worried about. the prices for credit default swaps...
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they were focused on deficit reduction. and that was their number-one priority. and that was related to government spending. the republicans today are focused on a piece of legislation they don't like because the president signed it and it's a signature legislation, and, in fact, if they got what they wanted it would increase the deficit, would make our debt worse. >> jay? >> yeah. >> i think joe -- i tied him to the steps there so he can't be a part of this, but i think he'd agree with you that they're going to have a shutdown, make it for something. and -- >> you know, we've sort of lost -- we don't hear the republicans anymore talking about, you know, what was supposed to be their priority. instead they're talking about the affordable care act and trying to, you know, use their opposition to that to shut us down and default on our debt. >> white house press secretary jay carney, thank you very much. we will stay in touch. keep us posted. >> thank you so much. >> jon hilsenrath, stay with us. up next, the s&p issues another warning to the u.s., but is it just a
they were focused on deficit reduction. and that was their number-one priority. and that was related to government spending. the republicans today are focused on a piece of legislation they don't like because the president signed it and it's a signature legislation, and, in fact, if they got what they wanted it would increase the deficit, would make our debt worse. >> jay? >> yeah. >> i think joe -- i tied him to the steps there so he can't be a part of this, but i think he'd...
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the pure economics of bringing the dream act kids in would cut the deficit by $1.4 billion and increase revenues by $2.3 billion. i mean, if you're in favor of more sound economic policy, it makes sense. >> well, alex, i spent a lot of time talking to ceos, and i hear consistently from ceos three things. we need to invest in infrastructure. our roads and our bridges. we need to invest in our human capital infrastructure. skills. we need to pass comprehensive immigration reform. i hear it from large businesses, hear it from small businesses. and we need to continue that work. and, you know, the work that mclr and others, voto latino have done have been indispensable because 16, 19, 23. three numbers to remember. 16% now of our population is latino. it will be 19% and change by 2020. it will be 23% by 2030. you ignore this community at your political peril and it really is -- >> and our economic future. if we're not investing in the skills development, in education around the, you know, all our kids, but particularly because the cohort of latino kids is growing, we're undermining our abil
the pure economics of bringing the dream act kids in would cut the deficit by $1.4 billion and increase revenues by $2.3 billion. i mean, if you're in favor of more sound economic policy, it makes sense. >> well, alex, i spent a lot of time talking to ceos, and i hear consistently from ceos three things. we need to invest in infrastructure. our roads and our bridges. we need to invest in our human capital infrastructure. skills. we need to pass comprehensive immigration reform. i hear it...
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that cover us here, it's not a situation like we had in 2011 where we were trying to negotiate a large deficit reduction package. there's just not a lot to negotiate or talk about. we're just talking about something that -- a continued resolution that lasts for a matter of weeks. >> right. >> and all we're saying, this is not your opportunity to try to leverage this fight to extort some concessions on our side. particularly when it comes to health care, which we're launching on tuesday. >> right. >> and which was discussed a lot during the presidential election in 2012 and we know how that was resolved. so we're not going to refight this. >> i think we take that off -- to me, we take that off the table. obama care, the affordable care act, it's happening on tuesday, get over it. it's been voted on. >> it's also tied to the government shutdown. it's absurd they're using that as leverage. >> let's talk about that for just a moment. regardless of what's happening with this madness on the hill, the roll out begins on tuesday. but there have been some reports that already there may be some computer
that cover us here, it's not a situation like we had in 2011 where we were trying to negotiate a large deficit reduction package. there's just not a lot to negotiate or talk about. we're just talking about something that -- a continued resolution that lasts for a matter of weeks. >> right. >> and all we're saying, this is not your opportunity to try to leverage this fight to extort some concessions on our side. particularly when it comes to health care, which we're launching on...
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budget committee for the house democrats, and has led us with great -- based on values and to reduce the deficit and create jobs, i'm going on yield to chris because he will give perspective to what is happening tonight and why it is not a good evening. >> thank you, madam leaders. the leader said we're gathers at a very sad point in the history of this congress. because what the house republicans are doing right now is voting for a government shutdown. we have 45 minutes to go. and instead of passing the bill already adopted by the senate, which would guarantee we keep the government open, they're rejecting that. and instead, saying that they want to go to conference. with 45 minutes left which is a recipe for shutting down the government. now, i just want everybody to be clear on one thing. we have been pressing our republican colleagues to negotiate on the budget since last march. the house passed the budget. and the national passed the budget. you may remember our colleagues making a big deal about no budget, no path. well, it turns out they weren't serious about getting a federal budget. we
budget committee for the house democrats, and has led us with great -- based on values and to reduce the deficit and create jobs, i'm going on yield to chris because he will give perspective to what is happening tonight and why it is not a good evening. >> thank you, madam leaders. the leader said we're gathers at a very sad point in the history of this congress. because what the house republicans are doing right now is voting for a government shutdown. we have 45 minutes to go. and...
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. >> no this shutdown is not about deficits or budgets. it's about rolling back our efforts to provide health insurance to folks who don't have it. it's all about rolling back the affordable care act. this more than age else seems to be what the republican party stands for these days. i know it's strange that one party would make coping people uninsured the centerpies of their agenda. >> that apparently is what it is. >> yeah. so despite the seemblingly high -- >> well that, will bring them zbloegny point is, which is absolutely introduce, the bigger point you have been fortunately is the president and democrats stript the higher ground fair or not. you don't want to insure 7 million people. okay. then they just --. >> so the democrats do have the higher ground when have you the wroet journal john meacham say, hey, we told you this is a stupid strategy. it is such a co lasally stupid strategy, it's hard to physical out how the republicans get out of this colossally stupid strategy. most know it's colossally stupid strategy him we are liste
. >> no this shutdown is not about deficits or budgets. it's about rolling back our efforts to provide health insurance to folks who don't have it. it's all about rolling back the affordable care act. this more than age else seems to be what the republican party stands for these days. i know it's strange that one party would make coping people uninsured the centerpies of their agenda. >> that apparently is what it is. >> yeah. so despite the seemblingly high -- >> well...
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michigan governor rick snyder served from a 4 point deficit to 8 point lead in his re-election bid after campaigning on medicate expansion. in deep red states like georgia where governor nathan diehl opposes, 60% support medicaid expansion. unsurprisingly this fact doesn't sit too well with rush limbaugh. >> the people depending on liberals are still living miserable lives. nothing changes. and no matter what they get and no matter what they do it still isn't enough because it never works. >> as the point of fact it is the states opting out of liberal programs that are ensuring their poorest residents live miserable lives. as a recent "new york times" article opponents out more than 8 million people will be left without health care in the states that choose to reject the provisions of the affordable care act. in total 26 states, mostly controlled by republicans, are refusing to expand medicaid coverage for their constituents. the implications for this ideological purity are dire. according to the "times," two-thirds of poor, uninsured blacks and single mother and half uninsured low wage
michigan governor rick snyder served from a 4 point deficit to 8 point lead in his re-election bid after campaigning on medicate expansion. in deep red states like georgia where governor nathan diehl opposes, 60% support medicaid expansion. unsurprisingly this fact doesn't sit too well with rush limbaugh. >> the people depending on liberals are still living miserable lives. nothing changes. and no matter what they get and no matter what they do it still isn't enough because it never...
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a lot of people will be interesting, but not unless they do something about the deficit. whether it's this government shut down or that government's default, that's the real issue in front of them. >> one of the things i never understood is why you believe you can extract the session based on funding the government for 75 days. >> i think that's a fair point. we are not trying to extract long-term. we are honestly looking for a larger negotiation. that's where i think we are headed. that's what the speaker consistently wanted to do. the president said he is willing to negotiate over the budget, but not over the debt ceiling. i am not sure what that means. to me they are in the same. we will see in a few weeks. >> why not then? correct me if i'm wrong. you put a clone budget funding bill through november 15th or december 15th. pick your number. it probably passes with a fairly strong majority in the house if it were put on the floor. you count both. >> that's a fair read. again, we will see where we go. the democrats said they won't negotiate over anything. there have been
a lot of people will be interesting, but not unless they do something about the deficit. whether it's this government shut down or that government's default, that's the real issue in front of them. >> one of the things i never understood is why you believe you can extract the session based on funding the government for 75 days. >> i think that's a fair point. we are not trying to extract long-term. we are honestly looking for a larger negotiation. that's where i think we are headed....
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i think it makes sense to have both sides sitting down to talk about aim broader deficit reduction package but that again can't be tied to paying our bills. once you set a budget, you essentially say in that document, that you are going to borrow enough to pay your bills on a weekly basis. and right now, the republicans are willing to hold this hostage over everything from a continuing resolution to a debt ceiling. i don't think we should be negotiating over that either. >> there are those who have said we would not be in this position had you guys been able to pass an actual budget at some juncture within the past few years. >> the irony is the democrats in the senate passed a bugtd this year. the republicans in the house passed a budget. when we tried to go a conference committee, it was ted cruz and at the party republicans who wouldn't let the two sides negotiate a final budget. there's no -- there's no question as to where the blame lies here, either it's with the tea party republicans in the senate who won't allow a budget to be written or it's with the tea party republicans in the h
i think it makes sense to have both sides sitting down to talk about aim broader deficit reduction package but that again can't be tied to paying our bills. once you set a budget, you essentially say in that document, that you are going to borrow enough to pay your bills on a weekly basis. and right now, the republicans are willing to hold this hostage over everything from a continuing resolution to a debt ceiling. i don't think we should be negotiating over that either. >> there are...
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greater security and stability and deals with some of our long-term challenges in terms of debt and deficits. but the only way to do that is for everybody to sit down in good faith without threatening to harm women and veterans and children with a government shutdown. certainly we can't have any kind of meaningful negotiations under the cloud of potential default, the first in u.s. history. there's not a world leader, if you took a poll, who would say that it would be responsible or consistent with america's leadership in the world for us to not pay our bills. we are the foundation of the world economy and the world financial system. and our currency is the reserve currency of the world. we don't mess with that, and we certainly don't allow domestic policy differences on issues that are unrelated to the budget to endanger not only our economy but the world economy. so i suspect that i will be speaking to the leaders today, tomorrow, and the next day. but there's a operate straightforward solution to this. if you set aside the short-term politics and you look at the long-term here, what it si
greater security and stability and deals with some of our long-term challenges in terms of debt and deficits. but the only way to do that is for everybody to sit down in good faith without threatening to harm women and veterans and children with a government shutdown. certainly we can't have any kind of meaningful negotiations under the cloud of potential default, the first in u.s. history. there's not a world leader, if you took a poll, who would say that it would be responsible or consistent...
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on an issue that has nothing to do with the deficit. >> nbc's luke is on capitol hill. luke, good morning to you. what happens next? >> that's the million dollar question with, alex. no one really knows for sure. we are here on a rare weekend session on saturday where house speaker is calling the house back into session to try to figure out a way forward. it depends on the house gop conference. they have procedural votes. they meet as a conference around noon. after that meeting we'll have somewhat of an idea how they want to play this. so far there has been this dedicated group of house gop members that do not want to fund the government if there are any funds for the president's health care law attached. they've really been invigorated by senator ted cruz in texas and the stand he took on the senate floor. >> i am hopeful and optimistic that the next time this continuing resolution is before the senate in the next few days that all 46 senate republicans stand united arm and arm with the house republicans and against the train wreck, the nightmare that is obama care. a
on an issue that has nothing to do with the deficit. >> nbc's luke is on capitol hill. luke, good morning to you. what happens next? >> that's the million dollar question with, alex. no one really knows for sure. we are here on a rare weekend session on saturday where house speaker is calling the house back into session to try to figure out a way forward. it depends on the house gop conference. they have procedural votes. they meet as a conference around noon. after that meeting...
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, and he's failing to give us the money to fix this deficit. >> all right. hold that for a second, because i want to keep thinking about this idea of money. but then i want to talk to you a little bit, because i know chicago and i know jones. and i'm thinking, jones is one of those schools that is held up as one of the best schools in a city where sometimes people talk about the problems of a school. what in the world would you have to protest, given that you are a jones student? >> right. i think the issue is chicago and what makes chicago so great is that we're a city of communities and we stand together. so although jones wasn't affected in the education crisis that's going on in chicago, 49 elementary schools were. this past school year, 49 elementary schools were closed in chicago. that means kids as young as 8 years old are having to cautious really dangerous gang lines, just to receive a free public education. and when i and my students i work with and everybody and we see it and know it's not right, but we have to stand up. because you have to consta
, and he's failing to give us the money to fix this deficit. >> all right. hold that for a second, because i want to keep thinking about this idea of money. but then i want to talk to you a little bit, because i know chicago and i know jones. and i'm thinking, jones is one of those schools that is held up as one of the best schools in a city where sometimes people talk about the problems of a school. what in the world would you have to protest, given that you are a jones student? >>...
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in other words, it's not that the republicans said we want to cut $20 billion from the deficit and obama wants to cut $10 billion and you compromise on 15. the republicans have said we want obama care delayed. there's no possibility the white house is going to agree to that in my opinion. so the grounds for compromise are harder see than they often have been. secondly you have a group in the house that absolutely do not want to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances. it will require i think speaker boehner effectively going against a majority of his caucus and using democrats to get this passed. that's something he's done before but he has said he's not going to do now. we'll have to see. >> i suspect some of your writing ability may have come from your father who was not only a successful businessman but also an off broadway playwright. >> i think back on it often about my father who i was close to and how interesting it was. he went to college. he was a depression baby, a war veteran. part of the greatest generation. he came back from the war and basically said i've got get a j
in other words, it's not that the republicans said we want to cut $20 billion from the deficit and obama wants to cut $10 billion and you compromise on 15. the republicans have said we want obama care delayed. there's no possibility the white house is going to agree to that in my opinion. so the grounds for compromise are harder see than they often have been. secondly you have a group in the house that absolutely do not want to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances. it will require i...
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and we've cut the deficit and reversed a trend over the last 20 years. and federal spending is down, whether he thinks that's good or not, it's down. and he said, now i'm finding that although we had that last time, 2011 debt ceiling sequester, y'all don't care about that. y'all don't care about that, because what you really want to do is to have chaos. that's ulterior. >> but, see, to me, this is like the old version of the joker in the batman films versus that really brilliant one that heath ledger played. old joker used to want things. but when played it, i am just here to create chaos. >> that's why alfred says to batman, some people just want to watch the world burn. >> so we want a big, emotional, dramatic performance. >> and the world will burn, by the way, if we go into default. >> the debt ceiling -- >> absolutely. so to me, this is -- we're talking about global -- we're talking about going back to recession and interest rates. and it's all above most people's heads. but the fact of the matter is, we can get pulled right back down to where we we
and we've cut the deficit and reversed a trend over the last 20 years. and federal spending is down, whether he thinks that's good or not, it's down. and he said, now i'm finding that although we had that last time, 2011 debt ceiling sequester, y'all don't care about that. y'all don't care about that, because what you really want to do is to have chaos. that's ulterior. >> but, see, to me, this is like the old version of the joker in the batman films versus that really brilliant one that...
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they're not saying go for c pichlpi, not talking deficits right now. they're saying obama care. that doesn't hold credibility. >> steve, i want to ask you -- so much has been made of obama care. and it is clear the republicans really don't like obama care. the affordable care act. at the end of the day, it -- it is now, it is, it is enacted. exchanges are up. it is law of the land. there steams to be. day two of the shutdown. republicans are backing away, a little bit from this idea of repeal. and trying to replace that indignation with talk of a grand bargain. chain cpi. keystone. whatever it is. perhaps not a winning strategy to talk about the repeal of obama care anymore. >> couple things. to richard's observation. the reason we find ourselves here, partially its that in august 2011 trust was destroyed between the president and john boehner. they beth accused each other of walking away from the grand bargain. i know which side i pick in that. i know the president was mad. this obama care business has become a lightning rod. it was in the 2010 elections. the tea party backed c
they're not saying go for c pichlpi, not talking deficits right now. they're saying obama care. that doesn't hold credibility. >> steve, i want to ask you -- so much has been made of obama care. and it is clear the republicans really don't like obama care. the affordable care act. at the end of the day, it -- it is now, it is, it is enacted. exchanges are up. it is law of the land. there steams to be. day two of the shutdown. republicans are backing away, a little bit from this idea of...
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kind of concession from the president, whether it's on health care, whether it's on spending of the deficit. >> bob, default more or less likely than it was a week ago? >> i never thought that default was likely. i think it's possible, but i don't think it's likely. what i think is interesting is the way this thing is being played out. and it's going further from a lot of republicans ever wanted to. the real issue, the republicans haven't had any cards to play. obama care has been passed by both houses of congress, signed bee the president and upheld by the supreme court. so negotiate over what? >> jack lew defended the administration on all the major networks this morning. this is a bit of what he said. take a listen. >> the failure of congress to act would for the first time put us in a place where we're defaulting on our obligations as a go. it is irresponsible and reckless to take that chance. there are no good choices if we run out of borrowing capacity. the first time since 1979, the united states would not be paying its bills. >> your take is a bit unique. is he crying wolf there or
kind of concession from the president, whether it's on health care, whether it's on spending of the deficit. >> bob, default more or less likely than it was a week ago? >> i never thought that default was likely. i think it's possible, but i don't think it's likely. what i think is interesting is the way this thing is being played out. and it's going further from a lot of republicans ever wanted to. the real issue, the republicans haven't had any cards to play. obama care has been...
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first it was the revenue bill to cut the deficit. then the bipartisan reform of social security. then they worked together for a major overhaul of the tax system. but the best example was when tip helped the gipper cross the biggest goal line of his presidency. >> at this hour, our congressional delegation is meeting with mikhail gorbachev. >> it marked the beginning of the end of the cold war. reagan's greatest legacy. through all those years, the key to their relationship was their ability to keep the lines of communication open. the great advantage of their socializing was they were always able to talk. that's very moving. joining me now is the woman who was there the whole time through those years. my wife kathleen matthews. we're going to do something you rarely see on "hardball." i'm going to turn the reins over to her. kathleen. >> it's hard to believe that was more than 30 years ago. it feels very fresh in my mine, certainly. >> positively or negatively? >> amazing how relevant it feels today even though it's three decades ago. and i think that's what you've been talking
first it was the revenue bill to cut the deficit. then the bipartisan reform of social security. then they worked together for a major overhaul of the tax system. but the best example was when tip helped the gipper cross the biggest goal line of his presidency. >> at this hour, our congressional delegation is meeting with mikhail gorbachev. >> it marked the beginning of the end of the cold war. reagan's greatest legacy. through all those years, the key to their relationship was...
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democrats haven't managed to tell a story, that the real story in our country today is not about debt and deficits, it's about jobs and investment in a country that is now being disinvested in at the risk of the security of this country. >> isn't that the point, frank? essentially they've lost the battle over austerity, despite it's crushed the economy in the u.k. essentially, it's been conceded. >> we needed to make cuts in government spending. the sequester is a terrible way to do it. we'll be talking about the debt ceiling. those things, the sequester, it's all the same story. it's broken government. it's no way to govern. you can't just make across the board spending cuts and leave yourself no flexibility to respond to situations. no one in the private sector would run a company that way. the fact we're running a government that way, that was a big clue right there that we have broken government and now we're seeing and even more floored manifestation of it. >> really quick exit question to you, sam. do we wind up with one big ominous negotiation that throws the debt limit, sequestration and c
democrats haven't managed to tell a story, that the real story in our country today is not about debt and deficits, it's about jobs and investment in a country that is now being disinvested in at the risk of the security of this country. >> isn't that the point, frank? essentially they've lost the battle over austerity, despite it's crushed the economy in the u.k. essentially, it's been conceded. >> we needed to make cuts in government spending. the sequester is a terrible way to do...
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o'neill said i'll pass the bill with you, deficit is too high. they knew how to cut deals after the fight. >> how does this president do in creating the kind of atmospheric? >> i don't think he was as good as reagan was as nurturing relations. i remember going to the jim dinner, which most of the guys were having steak dinner and apple pie, and baked potato and a beer. and just to be a dissenter, no press, it was a big deal. and in walked reagan with george bush. and george bush, as vp, had been a member of the house and knew how it worked. you got to connect with these guys. and i knew there was something that would help him get elected, every democrat took their picture with reagan. >> most of the democrats don't want their picture, that would hurt them. >> reagan being from notre dame, he had a lot of democrats who liked him. and i think this president doesn't have a lot of republicans that like him. this makes it a tougher time, by the way, it is politics, not civics, guys and women who believe in what they do. tip was the classic liberal who
o'neill said i'll pass the bill with you, deficit is too high. they knew how to cut deals after the fight. >> how does this president do in creating the kind of atmospheric? >> i don't think he was as good as reagan was as nurturing relations. i remember going to the jim dinner, which most of the guys were having steak dinner and apple pie, and baked potato and a beer. and just to be a dissenter, no press, it was a big deal. and in walked reagan with george bush. and george bush, as...
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reagan worried about the deficit, get 100 votes, you get 118 from me. give me 100. tax reform deal, the one i mentioned, he said give me 50, i'll take the rest. we're not taking heat from the corporations. they always managed -- they were so interesting how intricate they were about this. they also could use the other guy. he would beg reagan in a secret letter, i know what it is now. i will never tell anybody this if you get maggie thatcher to change the policy in northern ireland so there will be peace up there, i'll never tell anybody about it. he went over to gorbachev when gorbachev first became the leader. he said reagan and i disagree but i completely trust him on nuclear arms reduction. he wants to do it. we're all behind it. when liberals tried to push the freeze thing right in the middle of the meeting, ron from berkeley said cool it. please cool it. this guy has a bargain. he said no fighting over spending. we can't be fighting over that. patriotism, personal stuff, praying together when reagan was shot, reciting psalms together. this personal relationshi
reagan worried about the deficit, get 100 votes, you get 118 from me. give me 100. tax reform deal, the one i mentioned, he said give me 50, i'll take the rest. we're not taking heat from the corporations. they always managed -- they were so interesting how intricate they were about this. they also could use the other guy. he would beg reagan in a secret letter, i know what it is now. i will never tell anybody this if you get maggie thatcher to change the policy in northern ireland so there...
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and some of that discussion can be helpful in terms of addressing growth, debt, deficit reduction and how we go forward on lifting the debt ceiling. so we just have to find a way. and we have to find a path that they can go down, but if they keep moving the goal post and won't even accept their own number, as the leader said, if they don't take yes for an answer, then i can only conclude that they want to shut down government, that they think that has a purpose for them. and we know what that is. they want to overturn the affordable care act that's not going to happen. and frankly, that's not what our constitution had in mind, that if you don't like something you threaten to shut down government, so you don't -- it's not that kind of a system. so in any event, ever optimistic because so much is at stake, i'm hopeful that in the conversation we heard each other and that we will be able to find a place to go as the leader suggests, to the budget table, six months after we were supposed to, in order to discuss the budget that can be helpful. because the next, the next challenge is liftin
and some of that discussion can be helpful in terms of addressing growth, debt, deficit reduction and how we go forward on lifting the debt ceiling. so we just have to find a way. and we have to find a path that they can go down, but if they keep moving the goal post and won't even accept their own number, as the leader said, if they don't take yes for an answer, then i can only conclude that they want to shut down government, that they think that has a purpose for them. and we know what that...
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the last three and a half years our businesses have added 7.5 million new jobs. [ applause ] >> our deficits are falling. our housing market is healing which means construction is improving. manufacturing's growing. the auto industry is back. america's on pace to become the number one energy producer in the world this year. [ applause ] >> more small businesses have gotten loans so they can grow and they can hire just like m. lewis did with the small business act that i signed three years ago so that's part of what allowed this company to grow. so we still have a long way to go, and we've still got a lot of work to do, but we're making steady progress. and the reason i'm here is we can't afford to threaten that progress right now. right now hundreds of thousands of americans, hardworking americans suddenly aren't receiving their paycheck. right now they're worrying about missing their rent or their mortgage or even making ends meet. we can all relate to that. imagine that suddenly you're not sure if you were going to get your next paycheck. with all of the bills that might be mounting up. we
the last three and a half years our businesses have added 7.5 million new jobs. [ applause ] >> our deficits are falling. our housing market is healing which means construction is improving. manufacturing's growing. the auto industry is back. america's on pace to become the number one energy producer in the world this year. [ applause ] >> more small businesses have gotten loans so they can grow and they can hire just like m. lewis did with the small business act that i signed three...
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. >> back in august of 1982, president ronald reagan needed to counter the deficit and raise taxes. president reagan had an edge that might seem unthinkable today. a reasonable opposition party in congress. then the house democrats were led by thomas p. tip o'neill, a massachusetts democrat who want to the floor to whip republicans and question their loyalty to their own president. >> are you going to follow the leader that brought you here? are you going to run, i ask you, to just think of that. president is right. we need this tax bill. i ask for your vote. >> o'neal often said he disagreed with president reagan but they compromised on big economic plans for the country. that was back when compromise wasn't a dirty word. to the republican party. msnbc's chris matthews writes about the historic relationship in his book "tip and the gipper." and lawrence sat down with lawrence last week to talk about the pivotal period. >> chris, let's get my review out of the way, right away. i love this book okay, tip and the gipper when politics worked. that's what everyone is craving a world in
. >> back in august of 1982, president ronald reagan needed to counter the deficit and raise taxes. president reagan had an edge that might seem unthinkable today. a reasonable opposition party in congress. then the house democrats were led by thomas p. tip o'neill, a massachusetts democrat who want to the floor to whip republicans and question their loyalty to their own president. >> are you going to follow the leader that brought you here? are you going to run, i ask you, to just...
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well, he needed to reduce the deficit back in '82, and he and o'neill got together. let me go to josh green. do you think that list makes sense? keystone. that would drive the environmentalists and a lot of democratic progressives crazy. the medical device thing would cost the obama care program about $30 billion. what else? i forgot the other one. the dealing with the debt ceiling -- i mean sorry, dealing with the cost of living, adjusting that downward in effect. is that too much of a giveaway for the president? >> i think he can give away some of those things. the key is what are republicans willing to give up? the thing that stanched every deal the last few years is republicans have endless lists of what they'd like but they're not willing to give either loophole closings or tax increases in return. until they get to the point they're willing to offer some of that up, they need to give obama something in order to get these nice things in return. and so far i don't see any sign that that's imminent. >> let me ask you, congressman, a logic question. if default is t
well, he needed to reduce the deficit back in '82, and he and o'neill got together. let me go to josh green. do you think that list makes sense? keystone. that would drive the environmentalists and a lot of democratic progressives crazy. the medical device thing would cost the obama care program about $30 billion. what else? i forgot the other one. the dealing with the debt ceiling -- i mean sorry, dealing with the cost of living, adjusting that downward in effect. is that too much of a...
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we are trying achieve a deficit reduction package like we did in 2011 or in the fiscal cliff, the fight from this past year. we were trying to pass middle class tax cuts and make those permanent. all we are asking is that congress pass a six-week funding bill to keep the government open. so, we're not really sure what there is to negotiate around. and so, that is -- i don't expect our strategy's not going to change, our message is not going to change. it's clear what congress these to do. you see more and more republicans on the house side coming out, admitting that there is support, enough support in the house that they could pass a clean funding bill, if they would put that on the floor, and so, that's what we'll continue to push for them to do. and in the meanwhile, we're getting ready tomorrow health care tomorrow, too. >> right. in the meantime, there is also a massive national health reform bill that's going to be implemented tomorrow. >> yes. >> it seems like what we are all watching is the house republican caucus. they are the ones who have to make the decision about what to do
we are trying achieve a deficit reduction package like we did in 2011 or in the fiscal cliff, the fight from this past year. we were trying to pass middle class tax cuts and make those permanent. all we are asking is that congress pass a six-week funding bill to keep the government open. so, we're not really sure what there is to negotiate around. and so, that is -- i don't expect our strategy's not going to change, our message is not going to change. it's clear what congress these to do. you...
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if you look over the ten years that we craft these budget window, we've had $2.5 trillion in deficit reduction. 70% of that has been spending cuts. but i don't think you could say they have gotten the cuts they wanted because they want far, far more cuts. if you actually look at for example the ryan budget in the house, they want to take far more out of, for example, programs that affect low income people. they would love to go after the entitlements and block grant food stamps and all the above. so there is a question of what they want and what is realistic politics. and the gap these days between these two concepts is just huge. >> phil, after the 2012 election, house speaker john boehner seemed resigned to the fact at least that obamacare was here to stay. that take a listen. >> you had said next year that you would repeal the health care vote. is that still your mission? >> i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was reelected, obamacare is the law of the land. >> shortly thereafter, he did try to walk that back just a little bit. but how have poli
if you look over the ten years that we craft these budget window, we've had $2.5 trillion in deficit reduction. 70% of that has been spending cuts. but i don't think you could say they have gotten the cuts they wanted because they want far, far more cuts. if you actually look at for example the ryan budget in the house, they want to take far more out of, for example, programs that affect low income people. they would love to go after the entitlements and block grant food stamps and all the...
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the president alluded to this when he said i worked with you guys on cutting the deficit because i thought that's what you cared about. we did it. we've got a bill on the floor there to continue to do the sequester cuts and you don't support it because it was allal tear yor motives anyway. >> there is a strategy, that is winning. boehner has made it clear despite opposition to the shutdown and the republicans for the most part getting blame for this, compromise is seen as preemptive surrender and he's not ready to thrown in the towel. you have to remember, the 205 republicans in the house, they don't face opposition from the left in their elections next go around, it's from the right. their voters don't think the way we do about a government shutdown. they think sticking true to your principles is more important than keeping the government alive and running. >> absolutely, that gerrymandering is the heart of the problem but i don't think there is a strategy. i don't think they are thinking two steps ahead, if we do this we're going to deal with this when we get to the default issue. part o
the president alluded to this when he said i worked with you guys on cutting the deficit because i thought that's what you cared about. we did it. we've got a bill on the floor there to continue to do the sequester cuts and you don't support it because it was allal tear yor motives anyway. >> there is a strategy, that is winning. boehner has made it clear despite opposition to the shutdown and the republicans for the most part getting blame for this, compromise is seen as preemptive...